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Strangely enough a friend of my parents committed suicide recently ( hung himself ). They found his body on Christmas, TOD was estimated to be 3pm on December 22. ( End of world idiocy really did set in? )

Personally, I am a theist ( btw, sunnah, a theistic person does not believe that everything is God's will, the whole reason we are people and not machines is choice, which comes with the "soul" ). In a world where humankind is like my computerized characters in a game ( albeit with more complex coding ), and now this thought is hard to explain, we would not exist.

Look at the way we see, we don't just detect objects and react, we SEE, the world is laid before us. When you stub your toe, you feel in 3-dimensional coordinates, you don't just... okay, I cannot explain it, and you can explain it away using nerve positions, etc, but consciousness is not just a series of mathematical operations, it requires something non-mathematical, something different, to operate in this way. Here comes theism and souls. ( I am a biologos, words of life, DNA, it's obvious that the universe was started with a "goal" in mind. Next paragraph. )

God doesn't neccisarily have to be a man in the sky, God is a power beyond the universe, unrestricted by our physical bounds. The holy books written by various religions ( excluding Islam, since Muhammad just rewrote the Old and New Testament's 500 years later, I mean, the idiots that believed him! ) were written as a way to explain to earlier people, how things happened, take Adam and Eve as an example. It's a way of saying we all have common ancestors, whether that is two people ( I'm inbred? Fuck you! ) or a single-celled organism bubbling in a pool of minerals and protein.

To say that life is a low-entropy mass is just not good enough, and to end it is terrible. Any problem can be solved, we should look forward to what we have in-store, what is going to happen, not just how we feel at a moment. Teenagers slitting their wrists with a razor for attention = genes we don't need on planet Earth, so I rate suicide might just be a good thing. You know, if you are so stupid that you cannot see a use or future for yourself, society doesn't REALLY need you or the genes that make you that way. Lighten up and live, motherfucker!

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@user DannyDeth: After reading all of that and realizing you didn't use religion in a discussion, yes, but what about the people who have done everything they could? Who don't see the point of living anymore, as they have nothing to do, just live with what they've achieved? If they are constant "fighters", then doing nothing is as good as death for them, right?

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btw, sunnah, a theistic person does not believe that everything is God's will, the whole reason we are people and not machines is choice, which comes with the "soul"

Explain that to *cough* certain *cough* people here.

I am a theist too, I just can't take all the things, that the church puts into our heads, seriously.

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It's just like what I think everytime I finish a game, or a book or a movie set. I wonder what will happen if I finish it?
Then everytime I notice that there is a life out there which is awaiting for me to explore.
Or just some new stuff waiting me to finish and find another one...
Thinking the end frightens me but I don't think suicide is best way to end this game. It just like spoilers. Think more about it.

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what about the people who have done everything they could? Who don't see the point of living anymore, as they have nothing to do, just live with what they've achieved? If they are constant "fighters", then doing nothing is as good as death for them, right?


If you are paralyzed from the neck down and need to be kept in a hospital just to survive, it's a different story. I saw a movie recently about just that, eventually he won a court-case against the head of the hospital, they were not to kill him, but to simply let him die, the way he would have should they not have "saved" him. But so long as you can do something, you should. I guess you need to draw a ( Hermite interpolated, all-be-it ) line at what life is.

Can they do what they could do before what ever changed them? No? It's not true life in the humanitarian perspective. It's living, but it's not living. If there is anything that can be done ( and unless you are paralyzed from the neck fucking down, there is ), ending a life is never right. There is a reason that when a man wants to jump off a building people try to stop him. Some people may say there is nothing left when there really is. Hell, most would say it.

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Suicide ?
Why , we should kill our selves ? The humains are loosers when they kill their selves cause of some problems of lives.
By the way , peoples who haven't relegions or who don't belive in a god are killing their selves more than others ppls.

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Suicide ?
Why , we should kill our selves ? The humains are loosers when they kill their selves cause of some problems of lives.

Nobody would commit suicide only because of "some" problems. There usually is something more serious than stolen lolipops, you know.

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By the way , peoples who haven't relegions or who don't belive in a god are killing their selves more than others ppls.

As a professional suicide bomber, i totally confirm this.

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Give this man a Bell's! However, they aren't doing it do die, they are doing it to escape from something.


Running away from trouble or a fight is being a coward, escaping from something by killing yourself is also being a coward since you don't have the spirit to solve your own problems.

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@user DevGru: Your ex-wife's a bitch, you see your kid once a month, pay for your wife's new family (although she already has a new husband), you got fired, you are living in a motel on your last money and you owe money to some street thugs, who will cut you in pieces for not being able to return it. I sure can see a solution to this problem right here!

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@user palomino: Get a new wife, get a new job, get a cheaper apartment (why would you even live in a hotel?), borrow money from a family member to pay the thugs and pay that family member when you at least have been doing your new job for 2 weeks.

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@user palomino: Get a new wife, get a new job, get a cheaper apartment (why would you even live in a hotel?), borrow money from a family member to pay the thugs and pay that family member when you at least have been doing your new job for 2 weeks.

1) So you can pay for another one as well?
2) Getting a job that can pay off alimony isn't easy.
3) Because he has no money, genius.
4) Hey, Joe, I know I am asking for a lot, but I will be swiss-cheese if you don't give me $10, 000. Thanks in advance!
5) Yes, because working for 2 weeks will sure pay off your debts and alimony!

@user Xirot: I already told you to get the fuck out.
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