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@user Ranu: What you mean with random solutions? I'm talking about my experience with intel gpus and got a irl friend who used to have a bad pc like him. For cs2d is enough to run at max speed unless the pc is not well optimized. You could have a beast pc but if you fill will trash expect to not perform good.
Everyone knows the easy way is to buy a new pc or upgrade the specs but he asked for help for some reason.

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@user slimK:
Discussing based on logic, and experience is way different than just experience. The author of this thread has claimed he had no GPU, so that should clarify to everyone that there is no way in hell they'd be able to reach high performance in CS2D.

The most decent solution that is software and not hardware is just what many of them recommended the author to install the suitable "GPU driver" BUT That wouldn't be able to help much either considering they are running CS2D in DirectX with no GPU, however, that could help him with running CS2D in OpenGL at almost the same FPS as what his device is capable of running CS2D currently in DirectX. I'm almost sure of that he is currently getting error when he runs CS2D in OpenGL, and runs at very poor performance compared to their DX9.
An alternative to this, would be replacing opengl32.dll in System32 Folder with the suitable one for those without/with poor GPUs.

To put it in short: No one will be able to reach high FPS in CS2D with no GPU no matter what they do.

Common optimizations that most people have been misled into thinking they work such as:
- Disabling Windows Visuals / Animations
- Cleaning Folders generally its %temp%
- Disk Clean Up
- Windows Update
even high performance settings and using third party to exploit their CPU to the maximum power its capable of would NOT be able to help in this case.

Those solutions above other than the last one and the Windows update (only if its driver-related, sometimes resulting even in worse drivers and worse performance), are commonly being repeated, there is almost no scenario where the user's hardware would be in a way so that those could help in anyway.
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You are wrong here Ranu. If he does not have video acceleration enabled due to non installed GPU drivers (because Win 7 didn't install drivers for you), he will indeed have very bad time of running the game.

He could also try to run the game with OpenGL. So there is a lot options, yes, he could get a new PC and yeah he should, but if he cannot afford or there is a certain reason, don't push him. I remember when I was 15 everyone was like GET A JOB... fuck you, like not all countries has option for teens who live in the middle of nowhere to get a job... Obviously once you are adult you have options, but you never know what's like to be in other's skin within a completely different country, especially from countries like Egypt, no offence, but its way worse than most countries in Europe or US, or even Russia.

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user slimK has written
Whats the status? Still the same?



became better than before , there is only one step that i didn't apply , it is updating my Windows 7




@user slimK: has written
@user Ranu: What you mean with random solutions? I'm talking about my experience with intel gpus and got a irl friend who used to have a bad pc like him. For cs2d is enough to run at max speed unless the pc is not well optimized. You could have a beast pc but if you fill will trash expect to not perform good.
Everyone knows the easy way is to buy a new pc or upgrade the specs but he asked for help for some reason.



SlimK , you are right at this point
Optimizing pc and updating its drivers can introduce to best performance than the pc with no updated drivers

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You are wrong here Ranu. If he does not have video acceleration enabled due to non installed GPU drivers (because Win 7 didn't install drivers for you), he will indeed have very bad time of running the game.

He could also try to run the game with OpenGL. So there is a lot options, yes, he could get a new PC and yeah he should, but if he cannot afford or there is a certain reason, don't push him. I remember when I was 15 everyone was like GET A JOB... fuck you, like not all countries has option for teens who live in the middle of nowhere to get a job... Obviously once you are adult you have options, but you never know what's like to be in other's skin within a completely different country, especially from countries like Egypt, no offence, but its way worse than most countries in Europe or US, or even Russia.

Well marcell, I don't think I was wrong there. I can tell you one thing for sure that he will not be able to get over 30 average FPS over period of a minute in a normal map regardless of whatever he does related to software.

Regarding others' replies, there is no driver to update when you have no GPU.
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-high
will not improve anything. That command line is related to CPU, and not GPU. Other than that, only thing it does is sets the priority of the process as high, however, in Windows, it doesn't really affect anything unless there is full load on the CPU by other processes which would be almost never and even if it does, the effect would be very trivial and unnoticeable.

Him talking about improvements I'm sure is just to satisfy people here, and likely just a placebo effect. If he were to share the before/after average FPS, I can bet in both instances they'd be around the same.

If you still think I am wrong here, prove me wrong by showing me you can achieve a decent average fps in CS2D with no GPU.
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I literally have a T400 Thinkpad, that without proper drivers can't do shit, heck can't even start GTA Vice City, but once I install those drivers (modded though) they can run Vice City pretty well.

Now I know Vice City is not such a modern game, but we are talking about an Intel GMA 4500 ... and there is no such a thing as no GPU, there is always a GPU, its just iGPU in his case.

Either way, it would worth a try for him to check it, worst scenario, he has to buy a better PC in the future... or some cheap dGPU.

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@user Ranu:

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-high
will not improve anything. That command line is related to CPU, and not GPU. Other than that, only thing it does is sets the priority of the process as high, however, in Windows, it doesn't really affect anything unless there is full load on the CPU by other processes which would be almost never and even if it does, the effect would be very trivial and unnoticeable.


Depends of the system, in most cases will improve the stability of fps. If you have background processes who consumes much resources (windows processes, programs you don't need to use while gaming, etc...) in a low end pc your avg & 1% low fps is a big problem , so the -high command gonna help you to make cs2d high priority to avoid this kind of problems.

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If you still think I am wrong here, prove me wrong by showing me you can achieve a decent average fps in CS2D with no GPU.


Again based from the information he provided he's using a igpu called Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 (DirectX 10) https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-G41MT-S2PT-rev-21. The igpu is not great but for cs2d is ok, he can run cs2d at full speed. I used to have this laptop Acer Aspire 5732Z-434G25MN with similar specs and runs well cs2d even with max settings at full speed. Mabye he can't use everything on high settings but aleast he can run with some tweaks @ 60fps without any drops. Just need to use only directx and enable 16bit option . Opengl is a nightmare for intel igpus, just a waste of time using that.

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@user blurr: we're curious to know how much is ur FPS now.



ummm , depends on the amount of players in the same server so if the server is :

Filled | i will get like 15 fps maximum
Semi-Filled | i will get 20-30 fps
Empty or if includes 3 players | i will get 50-63 fps

My revision is : the performance became better than before doing those steps

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Also, some Intel Control Panel allows to adjust the Mode of the iGPU where you should be able to switch to Performance mode, that might also gets you additional FPS.

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Oh hello there @user blurr: I know I'm a bit late for reply but I highly do not recommend you to fully update your PC from scratch. I had a lot digging around kinds of your motherboard.

News are neither bad or too bad.

Sooo, first of all, if you have some decent mobile phone you may try to play CS2d here as well using Winlator.

Second, if you want to play CS2d on that PC you, yeah, still needs money, but not as much as you think. You situation isnt so grim, let me explain why. G41 in you motherboard name refers to chipset, a chip which allows your motherbiard to recongnize different CPUs. And your G41 is one of best chipsets available for this generation!

And since you have CPU of socket 775 generation and G41 chipset, you re allowed to use huge range of different CPUs, basically any socket 775 cpu allowed. Your cpu is seems to be 1 core 1 thread which is worst case scenario. I live relatively close to Egypt and your money seems to be egyptian liras or pounds, so, for like 350-500 liras you can buy another cpu and additional 2gb ddr2 ram as well. I recommend Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad cpu series, both are significant improvement related to your current state.

Check this out as example:
https://www.dubizzle.com.eg/en/ad/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1-core-2-quad-q8400-ID190152590.html

Thrid, if you out of money completely, you better install "Windows 7 Starter", OS for very very low end computers and netbooks. Most lightweight Windows you can imagine. Should add a bit fps to your cause. But once again this is torture.

Fourth, you has no gpu, so any gpu will be an improvement to you. Things I recommend to buy:
CPU: Intel Quad Q6600, Q8200, Q8300 -depends on what is cheaper, all are 4 cores 4 threads, which allows you to get smooth fps in most cases (talking about cs2d).
RAM: depends on you have or havent another free slot, any additional ram is welcome, but not more than 3gb if you re using 32-bit OS.
GPU: old weak "useless" GeForce gpus like gt210, gt520, gt710. Any of those highly underrated when talking about low spec gaming.

Yeah, so, again, I went through hell and shitload of experience exactly with your type of computer. There is a plently of room for cheap but great improvement. I walked that path and got surprisingly good results. W7 Starter could be still an option.

Phew, I'd done with my little tutorial. Good luck, reply on what you thinking about that.

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@user StirlizZ-Fapicon: i am thinking of upgrading my pc pieces but i have a question before making my decision :
what if i set settings on high (every option in graphics tab) , will it decrease fps or it will be stable ?
and are you sure that the speed of my pc or the number of frames per sec will be increased by x4 (four times higher) ?


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Thrid, if you out of money completely, you better install "Windows 7 Starter", OS for very very low end computers and netbooks. Most lightweight Windows you can imagine. Should add a bit fps to your cause. But once again this is torture.



i dont really want to install a new windows for just little more fps






So yeah , thats all
i also dont know if a new cpu / gpu and more ram will launch a modern game or a game from 2018 as well, please tell me if you know

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Upgrading your CPU, GPU, and RAM will let you play CS2D without any issues, but don't expect to play more modern games. For that, you'll actually need a new PC.

In your case, it is recommended to turn off/lower all graphic options. Especially the lighting and shadow options.

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@user mrc: actually not, LGA775 platform still capable of launching games such as Cyberpunk. Only issue is cpu instruction support.

LGA775 could even launch some basic VR games such as Beat Saber, don't underestimate it. Q9650, for example, is still 4/4 cpu with 3.00ghz speed which is still not bad.

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I stand with the fact that if you cannot run CS2D, you need a new computer.

If your computer should be able to run CS2D, but it can't, contact tech support.
Don't download and install drivers/programs from people online especially if you're clueless as to what you're actually doing.

Also, any computer could be considered "good" and "capable", if 5 FPS on Windows XP is considered normal to you.
Realistically, a computer that is older than 2010, is borderline a calculator.

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...then I'm sorry to tell you that I don't have the time to work on that. If you pay me an insane amount of money I may consider to quit my job and work on that new version full time but I guess that won't happen


How much ?
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