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Why not just stand 20m away from the ladder seeing it slipping away, cast blink and pierce a glowing iron rod through that ladder into the ice and instantly cast and icy spell on that rod?

with that it could be even 90°

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1. Since we want the ladder to be in static equilibrium, we impose the restraints that (choosing some arbitrary two dimensional coordinate system x/y):

     a. The net force in the horizontal direction of the system is zero

     b. The net force in the vertical direction of the system is also zero

     c. Since we don't want the ladder to rotated either, the torsional force along the axis of rotation normal to the xy plane must be zero as well.

Orientation:
IMG:https://i.imgur.com/CoEFB.png


Assume these definitions:

fg - friction on the ground
ng - normal force on the ground
w - weight
fw - friction on the wall
nw - normal on the wall
l - length of the ladder

Taking conditions a. and b. into consideration, we have:

a) x-direction: fg - nw = 0
b) y-direction: ng + fw - w = 0

For c, we need to pick some random pivot point and calculate the torque. For simplicity's sake, I chose the contact point between the ladder and the ground:

Components:
     a. From ng: 0
     b. From fg: 0
     c. From w (assuming cm is at the exact middle of the ladder): -l/2 sin(theta) * w
     d. From nw: l cos(theta) * nw
     e. From fw: l sin(theta) * fw

(We note that a <- and a ^ direction force causes the same rotation, so we arbitrarily chose the torque cased by the weight in the downward direction to be negative)

So we have our final bound:

l(-w/s sin(t) + nw cos(t) + fw sin(t)) = 0

casting out the l, we have

c) -(w/2 - fw) sin(t) + nw cos(t) = 0

Now, friction = normal force * u, so doing a bunch of algebra work, we get

tan(theta) = nw/(nw*(1/2ug - uw/2))

so theta = arctan(1 / (1/(2ug) - uw/2))

I may have made some algebraic mistakes though.

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FlooD
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hm doesn't look like what I got
wait lemme check

edit:
ya that's correct gj

now figure out part b

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Edit: which force am I suppose to find o_O, I feel like this is going to be a lot of algebraic work >_<

PS: the weight is assumed to be known and we need to find the normal forces?
edited 2×, last 27.05.11 04:12:26 am

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FlooD
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figure out all the forces you had in the image

hint: 4 unknown forces, 3 equations from standard methods (2 components of force + torque)
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