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Rule of thumb, don't be an asshole to other people.

Do you feel enraged by something said over the internet? Take a deep breath and think about what you're doing. The internet is inhabited by people; would you randomly go up to a stranger and tell him he's a fuck-up? No? Then why would being on the internet be any different?

So here are the rules, they've been here for a while and they're not going anywhere:
1.      If you, out of spite or any other petty reason, attempt to incite anger out of other people for absolutely no reason, then you are an asshole.

That's all you have to remember, the one cardinal rule in both reality and on the internet.

Examples of assholery:
•      Telling other people
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you make me want to take a shit make your mom eat it and then her shit it out again put my cats shit in
or anything to that effect. I hope this is self-explanatory as any socially aware individual will understand what types of responses these types of quotes will elicit.

•      Telling people that their English is bad. It's perfectly fine to be critical, as long as you present the criticism in a way that doesn't make the other person want to strangle your guts out. If I'm struggling to learn English, and someone tells me that my grammar sucks and that I should go die in a corner, that doesn't lend any help to my cause. In fact, all it does is kill my self-esteem and perpetuate a cycle of enemity that I'd rather avoid.

So here are the guidelines for correcting other people's mistakes:
     > If you can understand what the other person is trying to convey, leave it.
     > If the mistake is humorous or if the act of correcting the mistake is humorous, then by all means, correct it. Just don't be cocky about it.
     > If you cannot understand what the other person is trying to convey, but you can tell that it is most likely a question, then make a guess as to what he/she is trying to ask and 1. make an attempt to answer that question and/or 2. ask him/her to clarify, nicely
     > If none of the above cases apply, it is neither your obligation nor in fact your right to make fun of his/her English or to tell him that his English is "shit". The problem obviously doesn't concern you, so move on.

•     Flaming is criticism. It's just not constructive nor useful. If you can't tell the difference between flaming and useful criticism (and even if think you can), then before you make a critical response to someone else's work, ask yourself: If the situation was reversed, and after spending countless hours of labor, you find someone else giving you the exact same speech, how would you feel?

Now I usually feel that the depth of such questions should not be pursued, as theoretically, everyone should be able to distinguish between the different types of feelings that these questions elicit. But you know what, after witnessing what has been going on in this forum for the past few weeks, I'm not so sure anymore. So here are the different ways that you should act based on how you feel from asking yourself the above question:
     > If you feel anger stemming from the criticism's lack of substance or objectivity, you're doing it wrong.
     > If you feel anger stemming from the criticism's lack of appreciation or understanding of your labor (IE: calling the work a piece of crap), you're doing it wrong.
     > If you feel indifferent, then ask yourself this: "Do I know anything about what the OP is talking about?" If you answer no, you're doing it wrong.
     > If you know that you're being an asshole on purpose, you're doing it wrong
     > For all other cases, please carry on
You can't give out unfair criticisms and forcibly expect the other person to take it lying down. That's called bullying, not constructive criticism.

And finally,
•     "Sarcasm". Now I added those quotes there because, well, for all intensive purposes, I'm not really talking about sarcasm. If you want to be sarcastic, make sure that your sarcasm is subtle. Crude remarks masquerading as sarcasm will only make you look like an asshole and a fool.


So here's the simplified version of the forum rules regarding behavior:
Don't be an asshole to other people.
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02.07.11 10:21:57 pm
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Infinite Rain
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Lol that thread for Yates
Becouse he always saying bad words on everyone
A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only look with your eyes and see the recompense of the wicked. - Psalm 91:7-8 ESV
02.07.11 10:27:23 pm
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Medeiros
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Click here to know what I feel about this.

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02.07.11 10:45:46 pm
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EngiN33R
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Hate to be cocky, but please correct
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02.07.11 10:47:34 pm
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What can I say, being an asshole is a lifestyle for many. I guess it's that ephemeral feeling of superiority which they find satisfying. Notice how they usually don't have any uploads. Some sort of phobia of receiving criticism I guess.
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02.07.11 11:00:43 pm
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Night Till Death
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If you, out of spite or any other petty reason, attempt to incite anger out of other people for absolutely no reason, then you are an asshole.
- then by all means sir = Call me the 'Scum of the earth'

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tells me that my grammar sucks and that I should go die in a corner,
- that would accualy make some sence in an evil & sadistic way - but in anyway even if you dont tell him that his grammar sucks you still know that he S*cks at it & he should leave the forum...


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Don't be an asshole to other people.
- What if somebody was 'BORN' an asshole from the very beginning... He always acts like an asshole but you CANT do anything about it... People can act in such a way that others will start to feel such anger & rage that they want to kill him but they cant do it... So they try & try again to turn the tables on him but in any way they turn that table it fails & makes them even more pathetic... for example :

User : Your English Sucks - He knows he is right in all 100%
User #2 : No it not sucks - He is trying to proove him wrong but deep down inside he knows thats true wich makes him do this - User #2 : Me no care you suxx n00b go away loser...
User : Quotes User #2 - This just prooves you suck at it
User #2 : Rages on & starts spamming...

We all know we NOBODY can force another one to be an asshole - if he wants to be an asshole let him be - Even if you Ban him he still will be the same asshole... that wont change anything
02.07.11 11:01:20 pm
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I did not want to reply. But, I must explain why I flame and be an arsehole sometimes.

If a moron, blindly says something ridiculously stupid. I just have to respond, it's who I am. I have to tell that person he/she is wrong, there is no other way then to tell them to .. shut the fuck up. Then that.
I have tried to send them a message of that they're wrong but they just say more stupid shit.
Kids that have no intelligence at all go around and start being a moron when they think they're right.
I do not think it is okay to be an arsehole and flame everyone. Just you do need a few of these people, otherwise there would be more morons running around saying shit.
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I love what you're doing for this site. To make it a more happy place, but it will never be.
I will flame less, but some things just slip out now and then.

user Infinite Rain has written:
Lol that thread for Yates
Becouse he always saying bad words on everyone

Thank you. I really appreciate it.
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03.07.11 12:32:09 am
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Mechanolith
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user Mechanolith has written:
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Anyway, real assholes will not read it, so it will not help much.

Nvm...


user Jawohl has written:
that line : i want to shit and make your mum eat it ect...

a guy said that exact line on my thread
here: http://www.unrealsoftware.de/forum_posts.php?post=251337&start=0

So... ?

And yeah, talking about this is good, but will not help much (as said 2 times) since assholes/trolls don't take nothing seriously, they probably can't even read the whole topic text.
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03.07.11 01:46:09 am
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Isn't Yates, we need to talk?
Nah i'm joking.

By the way. I' hate peapole who flames about my grammar cause' i'm still trying to learn
Also, is it possible to make some irony?
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03.07.11 03:38:17 am
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user 3RROR has written:
Isn't Yates, we need to talk?
Nah i'm joking.

By the way. I' hate peapole who flames about my grammar cause' i'm still trying to learn
Also, is it possible to make some irony?


Dude, your grammar isn't bad.

Lee, I hope you didn't read my thread before you decided to make this one...
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03.07.11 04:49:55 am
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Goddamn - US has needed a talk for a while now. Ever since it became more of a 'popular' form due to CS2D, which, unfortunately, as a derivation of its type, attracts people who are very, very dull, and very, very much asses. I'm not saying CS2D is bad (infact the opposite is true), or that people who play it are, it just attracts some unwanted attention. Let's buy Lee a round for finally giving the talk.

Edit: HOLY CRAP! An OT Thread has been stickied! For the first time in US history!
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03.07.11 05:16:44 am
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miRRR
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I love how half of the people who posted in this thread probably do so themselves. Good luck trying to get shit straight, even though I personally think it wont work.

Hate to burst your bubble Joao, but here's a perfect example of immaturity and plain stupidity.
illegalWarning: I will be rating 3/5 or less in noob skins.

There's plenty of other posts from yourself and others (i'm not just blaming you), but that shit has to stop. Oh and i bet 90% of this forum has users who are under the age of 14. (Not being judgemental, but you know what I mean).

Thank God i'm on the other half, including some other guys.
03.07.11 05:25:59 am
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Mechanolith
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As your logical sense should tell you user miRRR, age doesn't have much influence on the user's behavior, but the maturity.
You probably didn't read an old comment of myself, showing up the whole criteria of my ratings, and "illegalWarning: I will be rating 3/5 or less in noob skins." is just a shorter explanation of it.

And do you really think that noob skins deserve more than 3/5? I don't know if you noticed, but the 4 and 5 ratings come with the following messages:
"4 - very Good
5 - AWESOME!"
Noob skins aren't fitted on none of those...

Spoiler >
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03.07.11 05:37:25 am
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Yamaxanadu
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Is this even going to help much? To Start a fire, you need a spark, and that spark is most likely some idiot who just posted a Paint-in-minutes work as proof of his map

Sure, there are a Bunch of Raging, Troll-the-shit-out-of-everyone Madmen on this forum, but it's like they are going to read a bunch of sentences on a thread telling them to change, but even if they do, they probably will just ignore it, you should know that if you listened at Psychology classes

From other forums, i've calculated that most "Quit trolling, dammit" threads has a chance of making one troll change for every 105 people, i personally think that Turning a ordinary Forum Joe into a Troll have a better ratio
Back in business, and I'll try not to be the Enigmatic asshole that i used to be....I hope
03.07.11 08:02:47 am
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ohaz
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This thread is a good idea, but I don't think it's going to help. The guys who flame and do everything you talk about won't even read it. And if they really read it, they won't do what you said.
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03.07.11 08:12:08 am
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user ohaz has written:
This thread is a good idea, but I don't think it's going to help. The guys who flame and do everything you talk about won't even read it. And if they really read it, they won't do what you said.

I double that.
If they were like that whole life, one thread cant change them, only time.
Know by myself, for example, my 2 first threads at US.de, i bet DC remember it, lol

user Yates has written:
I have to tell that person he/she is wrong, there is no other way then to tell them to .. shut the fuck up. Then that.
I have tried to send them a message of that they're wrong but they just say more stupid shit.

I have met some persons like that, kids & newbies, they just need no learn some, but of course they can, and will say dumb things.
03.07.11 08:29:37 am
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I think trolls will work harder now since they feel as if they were acknowledged..
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03.07.11 11:47:55 am
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DannyDeth
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I believe a lot of my posts come out as trollish and asshole-like when I really do not mean it. So, a note to future readers of my posts: Insults and sarcasm are common in my posts, do not take them seriously.
And example of a user who took one of my comments too seriously was 'freed is good' in his thread about 'rapists and marginal players that do bad and hurt people' or something like that.
03.07.11 12:37:06 pm
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Jawohl
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that line : i want to shit and make your mum eat it ect...

a guy said that exact line on my thread
here: http://www.unrealsoftware.de/forum_posts.php?post=251337&start=0
03.07.11 12:39:20 pm
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DannyDeth
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No, he just said your game was MADE OF shit, he didn't try and force your mother to eat his shit. ( makes no sense anyway, lol. )
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