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Sparty
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wow everyone has a life i see..

Anyway on topic. just few days ago flight mh17 was shot down. on new and tv, Almost everyone is blaming Russia/Pro-Russia and Putin for the Retarded thing and useless thing of shooting down with people who had loved ones on the plane. Let me Hear your Opinions About This.
And no FUCKING FLAMING AT EACH OTHER! my rule my thread.

The evidence that may prove pro russian separatists shot down mh17
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Putin is a bad man but a great politician. Make a neutral military units which can be seen as attack on another country and no one can do anything to him. Ukraine does not have missiles. One thing is certain, this plane should not fly over Ukraine. I think the fault of Putin.This is bullshit that Russia made a mistake, the system bug is so advanced system that can not go wrong. This simple provocation. This is a war, a few weeks there fighting. Ukrainians flee en masse from the country, mainly to Polish. This is only my opinion.

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1. I can't think of a single reason why Russia/separatists would shoot a civilian aircraft (the plane was Too Damn High to be a military one), because everybody (western countries) would blame them for shooting down this civilian plane. National propaganda? That's not worth it.
2. Why didn't anybody close/avoid ukrainian airspace? There's a damn war going on! Either they asked for it, for a plane to be shot down, or someone indeed needed that incident

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1 It's simple, they wanted people to think that it Ukrainians are bad, and the Russians are good. Apparently the plane lowered ceiling.
2. Zone flight was not closed, but all aircraft spared ukraine

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I beg your pardon for any translation errors.
I am Russian, and so I will speak in defense of my country (as would every patriot must to do)
I am very interested in the situation(Because my relatives live in Ukraine) and I look different TV channels like - ABC, BBC, NBС, 1-2-3 TV, Ukrainian TV channels, Russian independent channels.
All of it convey different information, so it is enough to think with your own head and be able to analyze situation from different angles and draw conclusions.

So lets try to do it:
Currently only U.S. wants to wash its HUGE debts by creating a next war or conflict, as U.S. do with all last conflicts and wars.
That why U.S. provides financial support to the Nazis and terrorists, to create a situation in which it could participate - war is always money:
Robberies (including theft technologies)
Sales of military goods (like weapons, medicine, drugs, and some other "support")
... And creation of market of its own(U.S.) goods(In every country during the war, all its factories, productions and farmers is in crisis.)

So Ukrainian authorities looking for the guilty and uncouple their own people instead of trying to stabilize and reconstruct its united strong country.

Europe is led by orders of U.S. - it is only because in their banks are too many U.S. dollars and if they are worthless, Europe again mired in economic crises. So in this situation, Europe are like a sheep with a shepherd (U.S.) - they are stubborn, but try to hate Russian.

I do not blame the Europe or Americans in this - I blame in this only government of US which destroys everything and kills people for income money (as is the case of all wars and conflicts and how it was September 11, 2001, and so on) Its dishonorable have repeatedly been proven, even including recent reports of espionage of all countries.
It often try to change the government of those countries whose policies they do not like - or give indicative gestures as various and unexpected revelations and blames, that ruin the lives of quite adequate policies. If you follow the news, you know what I'm talking about and you do not need examples.

But if it was not Russia (Russians have become accustomed to ... Napoleon's, Hitler's, ...), then it would be China (this is the next opponent for U.S.).

Now explain to me the benefit of the "war" for Russia?

Do not forget that when you say Putin - that mean the whole Russia. We do not always agree with his opinion, but he is our representative for foreign public.

Our globe is getting smaller - but you continue to point fingers and enemies in your neighbors and relatives.
A long time ago there was the Soviet Union and no matter how bad it was, it was multinational and everything in it for each other were brothers and friends, and all lived together side by side. Because that's like the people themselves to themselves and not their government. Together they build the future for our descendants, and not for themselves.
My questions is addressed as to the Ukrainians, and to each of you.
And that your war will leave your descendants?
You still need boundaries?
You can not go beyond?
Thank you for your attention.
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Following this line of thought the plane could shoot down any country, in any case declined to wine on the Russians. U.S. not once showed that they do not care about only their own interests. Could it be as you say, why not? Remember, never never never quite believe the media, always thought of yourself.

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My truth is everybody lies.

Russia? Ukraine? Donbass army? USA?
No difference.

Peoples died. Childs die. Impossible to ressurect them.

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@user lennon: following your argumentation, everything you do is RANDOM. As the plane can be shot down above any country, you can also blame any country for doing that. I do not understand you.
USA wants to show their interest in every situation (aka their dominance) because they want other countries to obey them. That's a thing any powerful state would like to do.

Answering your previous post:
1) It was 100% clear that everyone will blame Russia, so why should they shoot down a plane? Your plan to blame Ukraine couldn't and didn't work.
2) wut?

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@user VADemon: . From the information now found out that more and more evidence is to blame Russia.
About u 1) confirm my theories continue because:
a) separatists army interfere in the investigation at the crash site
b) quickly took the black boxes and gave them to Russia, as we all know cases should be the state where the plane crashed.
c) I'm hungry

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@user lennon: Try to do not write not unverified words. Check this links.
http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/214749.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2014/07/21/86cd2a12-10b0-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html

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Given the recent words of the White House about that "Russia is inactive" and that "Russia does not want to affect the separatists"
I want to ask you - what would you do in place of Russia, if you see that you are forced to start a war.
I repeat: The U.S. has a huge debt - http://www.usdebtclock.org/
On June 30, 2014, debt held by the public was approximately $12.6 trillion or about 74% of Q1 2014 GDP Intragovernmental holdings stood at $5.1 trillion (30%), giving a combined total public debt of $17.6 trillion or about 104% of Q1 2014 GDP As of January 2013, $5 trillion or approximately 47% of the debt held by the public was owned by foreign investors, the largest of which were the People's Republic of China and Japan at just over $1.1 trillion each.
And surfing the internet noticed some funny but true video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pwVHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z72SW0Dmhw8
Because the war is the only possible way for the U.S. to repay the debt and make money without asking for help from other countries.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/080912-621691-americans-become-increasingly-dependent-on-government.htm

You hate Putin through USA promotion and propaganda - So what do you feel to USA and Obama who want to start a third world war?
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WW3 Is not the solution, It make no sense starting war that would affect soo many people, Sorry to say but beng evil is the culture of human.
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