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Rainoth
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@user Yates: Your case is different. It would be too much to say that everything you did was only because you had bad days all those times. Besides, it was quite obvious that you were talking in such a way to discipline others. Not a good thing, though.

Also as I've (and user 0a) mentioned, this topic is not about electing a new moderator so don't go off-topic.

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I see some people have problems with temp.bans. Myself, I never had any problems or issues with the moderators/user DC nor I was temp.banned by them (except I've been temp.banned two times by the "System" and I'll tell you how and why by clicking this link http://www.unrealsoftware.de/forum_posts.php?post=296563&start=1380#post387834 and also you can see the DC's response of this ).

Sometimes it's horrifying me when I see the condition of File Archive and is really sad. There are more people who upload bad/crappy files (well, is a bit exaggerating by saying "more" but still there are) than uploading good, awesome files for the Community.
Of course, there are some people who are still doing a good effort and work to upload awesome files however the number of bad files is increasing a bit. At least I'm quite happy that there is a moderator that take care of the File Archive (and yea is user Rainoth) and other moderators too but I don't see so much activity on them when is coming about File Archive.
Maybe I go wrong or you disagree with me but I think you get the idea...

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@user GeoB99: I was mentioned *faints*
You can be dissatisfied all you want. It's not going to change. Most of the community members making contributions are 10-14 year olds so when making something:
• A proper contributor's thoughts will be something like: "How do I mix strategy with fun without making my <map/script> boring after a few rounds?" or "I've created a <skin/sprite/spray/splash>. I wonder what else could I do to make it look more appealing"
• A casual contributor's thoughts will be something like:
"Omg, gold silver and rainbow are best, I'll just put them on any <skin/sprite> and it's going to look AWESOME" or "Oh my god, this image I found in google is AMAZING, I'll take it, resize and create a <skin/splash/spray/sprite> and everyone can appreciate it too" or "WOW, this <map/script> has many lasers, super armor and everyone is friends and just look at these colored tiles, this is an epic map!"

It's a problem of users rather than what they upload. As long as there's kids, there's going to be crap files because different age groups define "good" in different ways.

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Damn, this post of you got to be sticky on every site of the forum @user Rainoth: because this is EXACTLY whats going on. So it's right to tempban people that upload bad files and that mods have to take care about the quality of the files. I know most of the guys dont even get the point behind being banned for a crappy file, but it only helps to not make us.de's filearchive look like a totally piece of shit. No one wants to see bad stuff only and to browse like 10pages to find the first average-good file. The activity of users will decrease a lot as no one will be interested in the files of this community any longer, also dc would be ashamed to support this stuff due to ignoring the quality of uploads.
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I think it has to do with the fact that younger people never really sat and thought what would be good and what would be bad. If you don't think about everything and enjoying what you're doing, you think it's good.

I've been there. user Rainoth has also been there. It's life.

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user Rainoth has written
@user GeoB99: I was mentioned *faints*
long as there's kids, there's going to be crap files because different age groups define "good" in different ways.


Well, I totally disagree with this. Even 18 years old guys can upload crap, when kids are making something creative that community loves. This doesn't happening often, but there are good uploads from kids, too. I don't think we need to disappoint younger ones. It's better to encourage their creativity.

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The problem is that most of these users aren't really open to criticism, which causes lack of improvement. Often, they will react to criticism with hostility.
To make matters worse, some users will praise and encourage bad creations out of sympathy, making improvement near impossible.
This is usually because younger people tend to be more egotistic and think highly of themselves.

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Rainoth
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@user BountyHunter: Hey there, I suppose you haven't dealt with English language enough so I'll just say what I'm always told (even today my English teacher on the last English lesson said it!): READ what is written.
I'll give you an example of what you THOUGHT I wrote:
"As long as there is kids on this forum, they will always upload crap files because they define "good" in different way"

Still unsure? You'll get it with time as you need to read a lot of English until you understand what each sentence and word means.
Until then, let me explain
What I said WASN'T "kids only upload crap files". I said "kids will upload crap files because they perceive what's "good" in a different way". I even gave examples, sheesh.

Still unsure of what I said. Ok then. A kid can upload a good file and everyone is happy. A grown person can upload a good file and everyone is happy. A kid can upload a bad file and he'll receive backlash from the community. A grown person can upload a bad file and he'll receive backlash from the community.

In other words. Everyone can create different files with different quality BUT A kid will start insulting, refuse to delete or fix his map and stay with his point that his file is awesome. A mature person (note how I don't say grown cause there are grown immature people too) will understand his errors and work to create something that everyone would like. So the problem is not SKILL (like you said) but MENTALITY (like I LITERALLY said)

@user J192: You're just elaborating on my point, which is fine but there's really no need to do it a thread about moderators. Mentioning the problem is fine (even if I agree with what you said).

Actually, I will see if I can change the thread into "Discussion about Moderators and their work" or if I should remove all this kind of off topic talk.

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@user Infinite Rain: Depends if the work is related to a specific moderator doing something good or wrong. Or maybe not doing something other moderators are. Then you are discussing the moderator about his moderation.

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@user Rainoth:
Ok fine, let's delete this thread because apparantly moderation of moderators is off topic. Or perhaps you meant that overall work of non-specific moderator is off topic?

@user Yates:
Yea that's what we were discussing all that time. Thread went off topic when we started discussing if quality of the file is dependant on age.

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@user Black Wolf: This depend on the violation gravity of course. Three days duration is enough (as a normal temp.ban) but a moderator can choose a shorter duration than three days, only if the violation gravity is not so high or critical. If the violation gravity is critical then is obvious the moderator is temp.banning with a long duration.

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@user Raisun: I wasn't comparing to that great work of art. With that script everyone really is very friend. In other cases people think it is like that but it's not.

@user Black Wolf: I personally ban for longer periods now but only section specific (Messages/Comments/Forum). Others give full bans but ban for shorter durations. Don't break rules and you won't have to worry about it.
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