English CS2D tournaments by ESL cancelled

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12.11.13 07:04:20 pm
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user Infinite Rain has written:
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DC has written:
So I do work with them.
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I never said that I don't want to work with them anymore.


Where's the point in continueing that discussion? DC clearly said that he support ESL and all their efforts, and now you are here, telling us some random not proved bullshit?


so if esl says otherwise, let DC as the creator of the game talks to them
12.11.13 07:25:35 pm
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you really believe that the comunity with trolls and noobs will last forever? I don´t think so...

I bet (in fact I know) user DC banned trolls years ago and will continue to do so years later.

user SlimPT has written:
Almost of servers in usgn are powered by pcsproject/clans

Where has this come from? Please provide some proof, as I bet I could go to the USGN master list right now and see ~150 servers of which maybe 5(?) is PCS. And of course the rest of the servers are owned by clans, if you have a server it's the most logical thing to do, share it!
But even so, I don't think that even half of these clans are serious.

user SlimPT has written:
[...] the activity is better than anothers servers.

Sorry but I could bet Happy Town is more played than any PCS server. Fun is more important to the "kids" that are actually keeping the game alive, instead of destroying it. Just because they are there (they actually don't play on competitive servers) does not mean they are ruining the game. Go play on another game (don't take this as an insult or another post that everyone says and you should ignore, it's the truth) if you dislike the "kids" playing on it with you (but as said, they don't play on your servers).
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12.11.13 09:56:15 pm
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you really believe that the comunity with trolls and noobs will last forever? I don´t think so...

It sure will last longer than a community with retarded assholes.
If cs2d hasn't got con mode there will be 7-10 servers and 10 players online maximumly, because players will get bored and leave the game.
12.11.13 10:10:40 pm
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First of all Sl!m this is a neutral forum so you should reply respectively.

I would like to state smthg. I am a big support of making CS2D bigger, and people like mag1k and many others i know, who have put a lot of efforts and passion to it can only be respected. Everyone, at least from PCS and CS2DBR, tend to create a "professional" atmosphere to give this game an aura that otherwise wouldnt have. To be smthg. Because let's be serious, in construction servers/tibia/happy town only you can get is some fast fun. But if you try to be "someone", the fun you get is based on the more organized scene. Serious teams, cups, every sort of competition. Surely not smthg to do after school because you are bored as fuck. But a good way to feel "proud" by achieving smthg in a simple game.

CS2D had all this time a great potential to grow. Unfortunately there wasnt enough motivation from DC lately, but cmon guys, it's his game and he can do wtf he wants. But imagine if he actually cared more, i believe CS2D would have the double fame it has now, or even more.


Also i would see more efforts from DC, but i wont stay crying like this to him, this wont change his ideal. We gotta respect that.



Just ask guys, if DC can contact again ESL, nothing else. Not needed to complain because it wont help and wont of course motivate him to do more.
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12.11.13 10:15:16 pm
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user Ahmad has written:
user SlimPT has written:
you really believe that the comunity with trolls and noobs will last forever? I don´t think so...

It sure will last longer than a community with retarded assholes.
If cs2d hasn't got con mode there will be 7-10 servers and 10 players online maximumly, because players will get bored and leave the game.

AND THE OTHERS

First point : stop bullshitting. ( not proven things, show facts)
Second point : Is this a suggestion thread ? no point to suggest here, and even if it would be so, your suggestions are obviously biased on your anger over people you've met and your life eager, please no off topic.
     Oh Dc, please save us.

This game is getting pretty old ( soon to be a teenager), although DC has managed to keep it alive, with a fair-opinon-based community, proof is that you can still argue here, I don't think there are a lot of players who can claim that they still have conversations with a game owner after a decade of it's creation.

You have to understand that the point of a game is having fun, even though, WE as players have a different meaning for fun in this game, from the Happy town scripter to the |Storm_PL| member ( well known competitive clan) has his own place apart this community.
Free to play games are always invaded by a huge number of kids, cheaters and trolls, though kids have their place here, I don't think you would prefer these kids you are putting face on the ground on your posts to play on "the competitive" servers and probably to become cheaters.
Nor you wouldn't like freekillers to come to your fun server and ruin your fun here, this is called balance, as sharp as yin can be near from yang, we have to deal with both.

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I was kind of sad to see how different this game has become after I left ( back here for 4 months now )
But now I've seen possibilities for this game, oldies coming back ,new weapons bringing some fresh air for the newcomers and ESL as a way to get well more organized tournaments.

So yeah, well DC, this has been said before -but I just don't want the people in this community to put everyone in the same bag and throw it to the sea- it may have been some kind of misunderstanding, and I bet you'll support us by trying to sort the shit out of how this misunderstanding could happen, or even to implement ESL as an helping-community for your game.

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This post is not meant to incriminate anyone, nor to insult, however if you feel like, well deal with it.

Thanks for reading, don't hesitate to close this topic someday and to reopen it when this issue will have been dealt.
12.11.13 11:08:31 pm
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maybe the esl guys visited this website and saw nothing about competitive cs2d and concluded that dc doesnt care. a perfectly reasonable conclusion for an outsider, but still they should contact dc

anyway magik, please post what esl wrote
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12.11.13 11:16:51 pm
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Man you guys are making a fool out of yourselves. None of you, including myself, even know what the hell magik has discussed and what his 'eight months of hard work' might have entailed. I hope he was communicating in Polish with ESL, because there's no way with this level of English he can get a point across. It's easy to blame DC but most probably we should doubt magik's own capabilities.

I'm appalled that members of PCS, which right now pretty much represents a large group of competitively oriented CS2D players, are ruining the relationship with the developer of their game. Who has been attempting to improve his game in his free time over the last NINE years, for free, for us.

Besides, there's a long list of requests from our side of the community that DC has fulfilled. So stop whining about the few of your (sometimes insane) idea's he hasn't implemented and ask nicely instead.
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12.11.13 11:21:53 pm
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user FlooD has written:
maybe the esl guys visited this website and saw nothing about competitive cs2d and concluded that dc doesnt care. a perfectly reasonable conclusion for an outsider, but still they should contact dc

anyway magik, please post what esl wrote


i can show you my last conversation the admin who helped on the this project (you need to know this admin is polish guy, and we talk in Polish language)

just so happened that the new games in the European section are under the supervision of Polish Admin


highlights from the conversation :
http://www.tinypic.pl/wbox5zbnhizn

now you can translate this.



instead they all attack, let's solve this problem together - but first DC must want to help us, and not have us in the ...
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12.11.13 11:44:19 pm
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Basically, the translation goes like this :

Spoiler >
13.11.13 12:48:44 am
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This topic has no purpose, no need to criticize the game dev about "pro gaming", For those who likes to moan in a vacuum I invite you to create a game, I think you would see that it is harder than 8 months of little communication with the esl. Also I want to add that many pro player, enjoy playing on buildings or zombie servers.
You should not forget that for a completely free game the number of service that they offer us is enormous.
13.11.13 01:25:44 am
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ewac = esl wire anti cheat
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13.11.13 02:21:10 am
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dc you should send them a message saying something like

hi im the creator of cs2d and i would appreciate it if cs2d becomes part of esl and ewac. i can help you guys with ewac development especially if you need me to change something in cs2d or if help is needed for understanding the internals of cs2d blablablablablablabla

just let them know you exist and are there to help
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13.11.13 07:55:04 am
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Oh please. I know you are capable of rational thought FlooD... Do you really think ESL is going to let a paid programmer make a dedicated anticheat for CS2D when they expect absolutely no return from the tiny community that plays competitively.

They've tested this 1on1 tournament with MOSS which was a complete failure. Maybe they'd give this game another shot if we'd accept to use MOSS again, but they're definitely not going to spend a lot of time and effort for maybe a 150 players at maximum.
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13.11.13 08:29:13 am
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don't think it's a lot of time and effort since they are experienced with this stuff and already have the infrastructure

and how was the test 1v1 a complete failure?
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13.11.13 11:20:34 am
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user FlooD has written:
don't think it's a lot of time and effort since they are experienced with this stuff and already have the infrastructure

and how was the test 1v1 a complete failure?


Well, countless of walkovers? But ok, they had made a much too big bracket...
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13.11.13 01:25:16 pm
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Oh please. I know you are capable of rational thought FlooD... Do you really think ESL is going to let a paid programmer make a dedicated anticheat for CS2D


Esl wire anti cheat brings in a huge 'infrastructure' for cheat detection.
They don't create a separate anti-cheat for every single game they want to support from scratch.

They'll have to do a bit of configuration to make sure ewac detects cs2d as an esl game and maybe do a bit of fine tuning for the current cs2d cheats.
(that's also why uac was willing to add support for cs2d)
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13.11.13 02:39:15 pm
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Oh please. I know you are capable of rational thought FlooD... Do you really think ESL is going to let a paid programmer make a dedicated anticheat for CS2D when they expect absolutely no return from the tiny community that plays competitively.

They've tested this 1on1 tournament with MOSS which was a complete failure. Maybe they'd give this game another shot if we'd accept to use MOSS again, but they're definitely not going to spend a lot of time and effort for maybe a 150 players at maximum.


then we have not tested the activity of people, only the operation system of ESL, that after the test met all the requirements


user fragezeichen has written:
user Torque has written:
Oh please. I know you are capable of rational thought FlooD... Do you really think ESL is going to let a paid programmer make a dedicated anticheat for CS2D


Esl wire anti cheat brings in a huge 'infrastructure' for cheat detection.
They don't create a separate anti-cheat for every single game they want to support from scratch.

They'll have to do a bit of configuration to make sure ewac detects cs2d as an esl game and maybe do a bit of fine tuning for the current cs2d cheats.
(that's also why uac was willing to add support for cs2d)


according to previous calls, it is possible
14.11.13 03:44:20 am
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user fragezeichen has written:
user Torque has written:
Oh please. I know you are capable of rational thought FlooD... Do you really think ESL is going to let a paid programmer make a dedicated anticheat for CS2D


Esl wire anti cheat brings in a huge 'infrastructure' for cheat detection.
They don't create a separate anti-cheat for every single game they want to support from scratch.

They'll have to do a bit of configuration to make sure ewac detects cs2d as an esl game and maybe do a bit of fine tuning for the current cs2d cheats.
(that's also why uac was willing to add support for cs2d)

yea exactly.
we just have to nudge them a little more

perhaps it would be easier if there are more points of contact between esl and the cs2d community. right now it seems it's just (cs2d community)---(magik)---(piskor)---(esl)
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14.11.13 09:36:27 pm
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It would have to look like this : (DC) --- (ESL)
14.11.13 11:35:57 pm
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cs2d after 8-9 years is still in beta so what do u want from this game , a pro lague with good anty cheat ? Its funny u should treat it like dc said "casual mp game" nothing else.. hf gl with minigolf Madness
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