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13.12.18 11:23:29 pm
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OpenGL 1.1 was released in 1997, I think the problem is on your side because of drivers etc. if your hardware id "new enough" what it is then? Update your drivers, its not Lenovo's fault
13.12.18 11:37:01 pm
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Because the hardware is too old, the drivers literally don't work with it. Also, what's with lenovo releasing something with ten year old technology. Completely crap. p.s. pc is Lenovo Ideacentre K330B
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13.12.18 11:58:40 pm
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That means that you have at least integrated HD 2000(AMD 4xxx series were too) that supports OpenGL 3.1.. just install intel video drivers.. I would like to say that you are just so green at computer stuff and you want to make mods for unreleased game without any basic knowledge about computers and hardware..
14.12.18 08:54:03 am
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I mean we've discussed this elsewhere, he doesn't even understand how basic modding works, that's the problem.
14.12.18 10:40:47 pm
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Btw, my dad is a full time programmer and he tried to update it also, but it didn't work. It appears to be a much older version of the K330B. p.s. If I didn't know how basic modding worked, I wouldn't have been able to create mods for S2. Also, if you know so much how computers work, then tell me how I could update the software.
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17.12.18 08:46:52 am
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For one, i dont buy the "my dad is a programmer" excuse.

Second, you really 'dont' know how modding works, hence the "release da gaem so i can mod it" comment.

And third, you dont update said software, you replace it;
your PC is garbage.
17.12.18 06:19:13 pm
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user DC : I see I am not the only person who thinks the titanium mod layout is awesome. Are you also going to use his snap grid ideas? (Video Here) It would be great to be able to build things easily like this, especially since a lot of the terrain will be flat (on the polygons&stuff) ex. IMG:http://stuff.unrealsoftware.de/pics/s3dev/mapgen/biomegen15_pre.jpg


and also.. About how you were talking about floating things and caves just not happening. Maybe you could rethink this a different way. For ex. Above the terrain make a polygon with lower coordinates and upper coordinates while the terrain only has upper coordinates, meaning that the polygon can start and stop above the terrain making caves or floating islands WITHOUT using up tons of space or performance power. Of course if you want to.

Also (this idea is crazy i know) the absolutely awesome possibility of adding a 'model' info with which you can make a 3d model in sort of the same way that you can place things on titanium version (scroll=up and down. Mouse to move things in 3d space) I have absolutely no idea how you would integrate this, but I do believe you might have the skills and background (correct me if im wrong)
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12.01.19 05:44:31 am
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i mean there are reasons why something like that may not work, the AI is a big one.

while i assume the S3 AI will be leagues ahead of S2 ai, i would imagine the AI would probably still be fiddly and probably wont have good pathfinding in enclosed spaces like a cave.
13.01.19 10:02:50 pm
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@user DC has written:
Further Optimizations
Another thing I'll change is the resolution I'm using for the random map generation.
I was insane enough to work with a 1 m² precision for all operations. Now I plan to reduced the base resolution to 4 m² or maybe even 8 m².
Imagine a 256 m² island. With the current calculation this makes 256x256 which is 65.536 pieces of data (each representing 1 m²).
With 4 m² precison the values change a bit: 256 / 4 is 64. 64x64 results in only 4.096 pieces of data. That's only 6.25% of the original data and therefore allows a much faster world generation. With 8 m² it would be only 1.024 pieces of data.

Dont you mean 16m² and 64m²? Since it's 4*4 and 8*8 meters?

What data type are you using to store the height values btw? Looking at the height differences on maps in S2 I guess byte could be enough, giving you 256 values to work with. Scaling them to 1 unit = 0.1m would allow a total height difference (bottom of sea to top of mountain) of 25.6m. Or 51.2m with 1 unit = 0.2m. Or something in between.

Adding a chunk system to that could allow setting up even larger maps at the original 1*1m precision. Loading only a few 16*16 chunks (256 byte each) around the player should help keep the memory footprint low enough.
13.01.19 11:49:30 pm
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Ooops, yes you're right. Most of the m² values are wrong actually. I'll replace them with what I really mean.

Right now I'm using a short (2 bytes) for heights because a byte is too limited. I will however probably change the format a bit because I don't need all of these 16 bits for height and therefore I can use the remaining bits to store other map data.

I'm already using a chunk system so I don't have to load/transfer/set up the entire terrain at once.
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14.01.19 05:47:33 pm
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user DC has written:
use the remaining bits to store other map data

Right. There's probably also a need for a color per vertex and some texture weights...

Do you have some compression/decompression algorithm in place yet? I can't remember whether this was already covered in another blog post right now. Might be nice to zip the whole chunk though so at least on the disk it won't take as much space


Did you have a look at the new Terrain features in Unity 2018.3 btw? Although I haven't used the new Terrain yet myself some of the new features look really interesting, especially GPU Instancing
14.01.19 08:57:41 pm
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I was thinking. Maybe the AI paths could be in 2d. On the 2d map it would show a heightmap and calculate how quickly an animal would climb a hill or maybe it would just avoid it. 2d AI would help animals avoid objects and also the player and probably use less cpu power, while also calculating your visibility (if a tree is between you and an animal, it can't see you). Events that happen in 3d could trigger 2d events (for example, you hit a turtle in 3d, and it triggers the turtle to run away in the AI map, making it react realistically in 3d also)



So basically all the ai stuff would be done in 2d while the actual virtual world is created in 3d. Or maybe you've already done this...

user Assassin moder the ai might be a problem. Maybe two height maps, one for the ground and one for added islands (this would only allow one floating island in one place, but that's pretty much all you need). The ai would be able to sense the height difference and decide that (unless the animal is a kangaroo or something) it could not jump that high.

I'm planning for stranded II Enhanced to be a pre-stranded III mod, kind of like an appetizer before a meal.

user DC : I'll try to get permession to get more models from stranded II mods into stranded 3 to contribute to it's development and hopefully save you hours of work.
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15.01.19 10:50:15 am
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@user ModJuicer: Just everything you said makes me thinking that you have no idea what you are talking about.. AI path is more like a mesh which is "2D" (or recast one) and its putted on a model etc. Your mod "pre-stranded III"? Maybe yes, like 200 years ago in development when I look at it.

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DC: I'll try to get permession to get more models from stranded II mods into stranded 3 to contribute to it's development and hopefully save you hours of work.


WHAT?
I was trying to not be agressive but I am very irritated by your posts more and more. Stop acting like you know everything when you know nothing.
15.01.19 07:21:04 pm
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user Assassin moder : you're right, I don't know much about stranded III and stranded II for that matter. I only started modding about four years ago and uploaded my first mod about two years ago. So i'll admit it. I just recently started learning how to use milkshape and 3d model, and I only know how to program/script in stranded II.

Because I only know how to do stranded II things, I'll stick to stranded II and use the skills I do have to organize models and add them to my mod, clear out junk, and I am planning to make maps for my mod after I'm finished with it. I wish I could give DC permission to use all the models on my mod, but I myself don't have full permission for most of the models (but I can't really get it because half of the good modders left years ago).

My hope is that they'll be happy to see their models going to good use as their mods have gotten old and dusty and are pretty cluttered and links are expiring all the time which may cause modders who barely remember stranded II to lose all the work that they did years ago. I honestly don't really want those models to die so I'm offering them a second chance. Anyway, since I already realize DC probably won't be able to use the models for Stranded 3 I will probably turn my stranded II mod into a stranded 3 mod after it is released.

So basically it isn't stealing models in my case but simply giving them a new purpose. I know I haven't had the time to mention their names in the credits. I'm planning to do that in my next update which will include a lot of cool stuff, including my first unit extension.
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25.03.19 11:39:16 am
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Almost three months no news. When will the new blog be released?
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27.03.19 09:19:30 am
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Only just read @user ModJuicer: just now, what the hell were you talking about?!

You expect a game developer to use a past game's mod developer's resources? are you insane? no artist will EVER use fan art.

DC is the type that wants to do everything himself, i cant blame him, having the creative input of every little detail in a game is very fulfilling if not very challenging.

You need to think about what you say before you say things, you AREN'T a game developer, you aren't DC's advisor, stop assuming you know what your talking about, its driving us all up the wall.
28.03.19 01:08:32 am
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okay, okay. Fine. I get it. I'll just do my own thing and mod SII. When SIII comes out, i'll try that. It really is pretty pointless to put SII mod things in SIII and deal with a ton of random junk when people will just mod SIII when it comes out with the same result.


Besides that, user Malzar kind of has a point, it is taking a while. Because of the fact the progress seems to still be going as slow as always, I will soon try to keep people sane by trying to keep my S2 mod going. Of course, although it looks the same as always, that doesn't mean i'm not making progress. It's just that I have a specified release date.
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01.04.19 05:37:52 pm
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useful and interesting article, found a lot of useful information, glad to join your community 192.168.1.1
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01.04.19 11:40:28 pm
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user DC No april fools joke this year?
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01.04.19 11:53:09 pm
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The joke is that there is no joke
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