English Creation or Evolution?

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16.12.16 03:09:50 pm
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Alpha Beta
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Yes, evolution means random errors in the genes (mutations) and then natural selection. So evolutionists believe that miracles are just errors.
The problem with evolution is macroevolution. There is evidence for microevolution, but microevolution (small changes, adapting to new environments) is an intended feature that was given to us by the creator.
16.12.16 03:15:55 pm
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Of course a miracle can be cause of a simple error!

For example, say someone forgot to change out the printers ink cartridges one day (a mistake aka an error). Another person could not print something out, so had to change them himself. This person now runs a little later than usual and it so happens to be that this person would have been in a car crash if he was driving home his usual time.

error == cause of a miracle (if this is your definition of a miracle)

Now this is a basic example, and not a true miracle by actual definition. But that doesn't mean that an error cannot cause one. I don't see the problem here. The same can be applied to evolution.
16.12.16 03:34:42 pm
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There used to be evidence like junk DNA, as a remainder of the evolutionary process. But it was proven to be false. Every part of our DNA has important functions. This is not something you would expect as an atheist evolutionist.
And DNA itself, where did it come from? DNA has the highest known information density known to us. You can store 2.2 Petabytes of data in 1 gram of DNA. It must be the work of intelligence.
16.12.16 03:43:17 pm
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user Alpha Beta has written:
There used to be evidence like junk DNA, as a remainder of the evolutionary process. But it was proven to be false.

By whom? Article? Links? Anything? Don't give me a bible. I want facts backed up by science.

Pretty sure it was less than a PB for a gram of DNA and I'm also pretty sure that the percentage of useful DNA we contain is less than 15% (as in DNA we need to be who we are).

Just because something is complex does not mean someone intelligent must have figured it out/created it. Plenty of inventions were created by mistake.

You know what would be cool, if God actually does exist and once you're up there he simply says "yeah I knocked some shit over and poof and I was too lazy to clean it up so I let it do its thing."

I'd fucking piss myself out of laughter. Damn.
16.12.16 08:44:17 pm
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user Alpha Beta has written:
There used to be evidence like junk DNA

what do you think cancer is?

i must say your attack against evolution has been awful so far, please do back up your information with legitimate information (you know other than the religious propaganda bullshit)

else your "evidence" will fall upon deaf ears.
16.12.16 08:56:03 pm
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Cancer has nothing to do with it. I kinda agree with evolution, but only microevolution.
I believe that adapting to environments is just a feature of us. Like there are countless species of butterflies, but they are still basically the same: A butterfly.
I do not believe a being can transform into something completely differnet.
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16.12.16 09:05:21 pm
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@user Alpha Beta: micro-evolution = macro-Evolution
and cancer IS junk DNA; dont pretend its irrelevant
16.12.16 09:19:49 pm
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Not every human has cancer. What's your point?
16.12.16 09:21:24 pm
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Cancer has nothing to do with it. I kinda agree with evolution, but only microevolution.

You kinda contradict yourself now, you know... If you agree with "microevolution" (how do you even define that, on what scale it has to be in order to call it "micro"?), you have to agree with evolution as whole.

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I believe that adapting to environments is just a feature of us. Like there are countless species of butterflies, but they are still basically the same: A butterfly.

Now butterflies are kinda shitty comparison, but if you looked on them, you'd find most of them are adapted to specific lifestyle. Tropical species of butterflies are interesting. And this isn't just a feature of "us", a whole lot of animal species do the same.

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I do not believe a being can transform into something else. Like fishes growing arms and legs.

It has actually happened, you know, the life as we know first appeared in the ocean around 4 billion years ago.
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16.12.16 09:37:15 pm
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@user Alpha Beta: what is your religion?
16.12.16 09:39:36 pm
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@user Alpha Beta: what is your religion?

Brainwashtianity.
16.12.16 09:42:24 pm
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@user Raisun: The only type of evolution that is testable and has evidence is microevolution. Nobody has ever observed macroevolution. You just assume its true as well. You use evidence of small changes to somehow prove big changes.

Butterflies are an excellent example of microevolution. There are like 15-20 thousand species of butterflies but they are still basically the same. Why is it like that?
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16.12.16 09:45:41 pm
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@user Alpha Beta: And we have 7 billion people on Earth and somehow you survived natural selection. I am beginning to doubt it myself now.

Can this get closed now? It's obvious this idiot won't even listen to anything, no point in discussing something when there is no discussion.
17.12.16 12:33:20 am
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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

For theists: check out your sacred book before jumping to argue with other people, even the bible contradicts you.

If you want stuff about the current topic(creation vs evolution), check Genesis.

"Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, an do ye to them as is good in your eyes. -- Genesis 19:8"

Also, contradictions from the first 2 chapters: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html
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17.12.16 03:54:34 am
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@user rzvthePsycho: Yeah I checked Genesis their are some great English rock band and like their music.
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17.12.16 08:24:10 am
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user rzvthePsycho has written:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

For theists: check out your sacred book before jumping to argue with other people, even the bible contradicts you.

If you want stuff about the current topic(creation vs evolution), check Genesis.

"Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, an do ye to them as is good in your eyes. -- Genesis 19:8"

Also, contradictions from the first 2 chapters: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/accounts.html
Dude. The bible was written a few thousand years ago, was poorly translated and has been passed on by speech only for hundreds of years before that. Language didn't even have that many words back then. Of course there are going to be some mistakes in it. Where's the problem? Nobody cares about some single sentences - the important part about religion is the big picture behind it (in case of Christianity it's Altruism and Charity.
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17.12.16 09:36:34 am
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@user Raisun: The only type of evolution that is testable and has evidence is microevolution. Nobody has ever observed macroevolution. You just assume its true as well. You use evidence of small changes to somehow prove big changes.

Micro...macro...it is just survival of all families.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

Contradictions in the Bible
17.12.16 10:39:35 am
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@user Alpha Beta: Are you just blatantly ignoring what I said just like your religion teaches you, or are you that blind? Try reading my previous post again.
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Nobody has ever observed macroevolution. You just assume its true as well. You use evidence of small changes to somehow prove big changes.

And what do you think happened during those 4 billion years? Did God look in his diary and told himself "oh well, today it's Saturday 13:12 -60 million years BC, let's nuke dinosaurs they were ugly anyway and I want mammals to grow and expand lol xd this will get those atheists good"? This is your macroevolution. Dinosaurs got oblitterated and the rest of living species started to adapt to take their place. By natural causes.
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17.12.16 10:42:42 am
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Can someone close this please? You all know this discussion will never end. Checking it everytime for nothing makes me bored.
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17.12.16 10:43:33 am
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@user Raisun: He doesn't believe in dinosaurs duuudee
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