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Btw, it was a Catholic priest that founded the big bang theory. Also, I think it's perfectly logical that the universe must have been created. Everything in the universe is mathematically constructed that we can describe it, why is that?

Galileo has written
Mathematics is the language in which God has written the universe.

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@user Masea: I don't know. But we'd be finding out answers to these questions faster if people would join in on answering these questions instead of coming to a conclusion "Oh, we don't know. Then God did it I suppose!"

Not everything is easily explained, it doesn't mean we should stop looking for answers.

By the way, you're doing it as well. Stop asking who, ask what.

@user Alpha Beta: There are many scientists that have a faith. The difference is is that these people look for another explanation and accept it. You can perfectly believe that for example God is forever expanding the universe, but if it is ever proven that this is not the case don't argue. This is the main problem with many people of faith.
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@user Yates: I like your way of thinking, thought muslims thinks it was always fate who control coincidences and gave us our current state, I don't think so. He basically gave us the brain of a monkey and the materials and told us to continue the road by ourselves.

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@user Alpha Beta: There are many scientists that have a faith. The difference is is that these people look for another explanation and accept it. You can perfectly believe that for example God is forever expanding the universe, but if it is ever proven that this is not the case don't argue. This is the main problem with many people of faith.


They believe in God because they see a connection between their work and their faith.
I have read a lot what great minds said about God, and conclude that natural sciences like physics are just the description of Gods creation.
We can describe how the planets move but not who set the planets in motion.

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They believe in God because they see a connection between their work and their faith.

Don't tell me what people are thinking or their reasons behind their actions. Maybe they believe in God because they have nothing else to do, don't generalize a group of people when you know nothing about them personally. You're basically telling me why other people you don't know believe in the same faith as you, stop it!

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We can describe how the planets move but not who set the planets in motion.

Gravity. "But who created gravity!?" - No person created it, it works via all things that have mass are brought to one another.. "But who created mass!??1!"

We could do this all day, but it is apparent that you revived a thread so you could enforce your beliefs on others by starting a conversation and giving such answers as seen above. You may not know you did, as this happens all but naturally with people of faith. Hey, maybe God made you do it.. As that seems to be your explanation for everyone and everything.

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Newton did gravity.

He didn't do it neither create it, whereas he was the first to understand the nature of gravity and describe it accurately enough that it could be applied mathematically to other equations in physics with predictable, verifiable results.

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One word: Evolution

Like user Lee said Who the hell is God?
And all these god done this god done that is hard to believe,

And god didnt 'create gunja'

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I still dont know why this post was revived; no less created to begin with... but i may as well place my point of view:

I was raised christian, and had the worst case of ignorance, like your average religious person; but i grew up and learnt better.

these days i identify as agnostic-atheist; i cant see any of the religions that surfaced in the last 2000 years to be remotely correct; however i find it hard to believe the universe, and everything in it was created over a universal explosion (but evolution over billions of years; yeah sure.)

so im under a position where i think the premise of a god is ridiculous; yet so is the Big Bang on its own...

so take religion with a few grains of salt and worry about more important things (like enjoying life)

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Some people are afraid to know what will happen after the death and believing in something helps them. "There is heaven after the death" sounds way better than "Nothing happens after the dead".
Sad thing is that these people are willing to do many things for this and usually get fooled by smarter people, take look at ISIS (brainwashing many muslims) or even earlier ages when people did everything what Christianity told them.
Saw some people mentioning middle-east. Lets be honest, US and Russia are ones to blame for shit happening there, not religious people.

TL;DR= People are afraid of death and believing in afterlife helps them (not in all cases).

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That's all real shit..
Also question: who create God? -.-
One never would know how this anything is started. These hypotheses - just the imagination of people in the books.
Brainwashes also mindless their faith. Simply bcs they brainwashed -.- That's coming from young.

Fck ppl's who say :"Oh! How you don't believe in God?". People have their own opinion, their faith or even no both things. And it's normal. Always even in cs2d servers some turks tell me:"Believe in GOD! u gonna be true muslim, wait i give u link and u'll understand anything."
Stupid threads, don't need to give a chance for them, trash it right in it's place.

/my own opinion about that. Can't i? for sure i can

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@user kkkkkkk: How so?

You do understand that in this context Lee was not referring to Hell (noticeable by the first letter if capitalized or not). "Who/what the hell" is another saying of "Who/what the heck." In fact many religious people prefer saying heck over hell.

Check this out.

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My opinion is Creation and Evolution alongside. It's first creation and the evolution comes afterwards.

For instance, the Big Bang theory briefly states that the universe started with a small singularity, then inflating over the next 13.8 billion years to the cosmos that we know today. This is considered evolution. But before 13.8 billion years (and before the Big Bang) who made the universe? Here comes the term of creation.

The same thing goes on the animal horse, 40 million years ago it was adapted to live on wet grounds so its forefoot was ramified to 4 also its way of eating was from the small trees hence it had a short nick, but nowadays the horses are different from what it was like before with 1 forefoot and a taller nick. This is evolution. But who made that specific species of animal? This is creation. In my humble opinion, I don't think that these two terms will ever be separated because both of them rely on each other.

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@user Yates You went too far. It just shows how religious terms have influenced languages which "somehow" and not deliberately creates absurd contradictions, such as Lee's question.
Early English speakers could have said "What the eerie?", for instance. But instead, they preferred to use hell because, supposedly, it fits better, for its known features - that religions had described.

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@user kkkkkkk: Uh I didn't take anything too far that's how the English language works. Of course religions have had influence over many things we see, use and know of today. But that doesn't mean that such things are holy and other meanings are not allowed to be given to them.

Welcome to the real fucking world.

By the way, learn what a contradiction is. You have it all wrong.
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