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Should laser skins be disallowed?

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FlooD
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Description: Laser skins are GFX modifications that increase the length, and therefore visibility, of weapons. A person using these skins will often be able to see the enemy before the enemy sees him, especially if the enemy is camping in a tree or a corner.

My argument for disallowing laser skins: A person using laser skins has an unfair advantage over a person using the default skins. Moreover, this advantage is not subjective, unlike other GFX modifications (e.g. font, buildings, etc...), which are primarily used for aesthetic reasons. A non-subjective unfair advantage is equivalent to cheating; thus laser skins should not be allowed.

What do you think??

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Banaan
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Yeah you have a good point there, but then all weapon skins (except hegren, flashbang, etc. maybe) should be forbidden. Or (don't know if it's reachable) make it impossible to increase the size of weapon skins.

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It's one of my only edges against low pingers, and that's just a slight increase of survival against them.

I know it would be kind of imbalanced against people of the same ping as me... But, I need to see the low pinging enemy before he sees me to kill him, which might probably make us both see each other at the same time if we consider certain situations like... Is he walking with his primary and I'm running to his direction..?

Now what's really stupid... Lasers on knives, grenades, etc...

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FlooD
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Pikachu xD has written
Laser sights? Hack program?
Really I don't get it.

I'll pick No since I assume you mean laser sights.

Assuming you have a decent knowledge of English, let me repeat myself.
"laser skins" are graphical modifications that are used for the purpose of allowing you to see an enemy before he sees you.

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DoP3
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I can rephrase it in his laguage:
it's when you add a laser to you'r weapon skin
as in M4A1 with laser attachment
it's long redline they put infront of your weapon...

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Spyware
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IMG:https://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq321/Fragster0/th_ak47.jpg

Perfect example of a laser skin. Modified from Yorty's AK47 RIS. I do not own the original skin, just the attachment.

I experimented with the glitter effect, nothing much but that's it. Anyway, this is a perfect example of a lasered weapon.

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There is limit for weapon skins, if i remember right, it is 75x75.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I choose "no".

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Cure Pikachu
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Not really.
LucasRib's Halo Mod's RPG is bigger than 75 pixels in height, I guess...
EDIT: Thanks, cause I never seen this dialog before.
edited 1×, last 06.05.10 10:14:15 am

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FlooD
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Vibhor has written
isnt that limited to a distance
it doesnt really matter if someone uses this or not

You can quickly see campers in trees and corners if you use it. I've heard that you can see the lasers around corners too if fog of war is enabled.

DC, what do you think?

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Snick0rz
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Laser Skins == Cheating == stupid. I agree to disallow skins or to build in a cvar to force the client to use the serverside ones.

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Flacko
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This is not cssource, plus using serverside skins would be too much work for such a dumb thing :/. Maybe it's a better idea to lower the skin size to 64x64 or sth like that?

BTW: You can't see the player's gun around the corner with FOW unless you see him.

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DC
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there already is the mentioned limit. it has been introduced because of the described problems.

this means that very long lasers are not possible anyway and that the advantage is minimal. therefore it is tolerated.

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DC
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you could call it cheating but I wouldn't go that far. I think "exploiting" would be a more appropriate term.

there are only a few situations where this is really an advantage - these situations will probably not occur too frequently in real matches. and with fog of war enabled (which should always be enabled in serious matches) there are even less advantages of big weapon skins (as said before: a player hidden by fog will be hidden completely. including the weapon, no matter which size it has)

also don't forget that most people just change the skins for the look and not to get any advantage.

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Pikachu xD has written
Not really.
LucasRib's Halo Mod's RPG is bigger than 75 pixels in height, I guess...
EDIT: Thanks, cause I never seen this dialog before.

I've checked but the most of the sprites LucasRib, Scyther and Slasher made are within the 75x75 Height boundaries.
Futher I know this problem, when you attach lines at a sprite to increase its length and you will be able to see somebody earlier, these advantages are not very handy for the most people. But you could make a very slight improvement when both players strafe to eachother on shift-walk which is soundless and clanwars could get influenced in that way.
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