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Lee
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Oh lmao. No bomb & hostages-buhaha low! Sry but what you want to do with usp vs ak/m4/mp5? Lol there is no way to win.Especially couse were all pretty good skilled,so therefor its dumb lee >.> .Even without fow it would be much more like deathmatch.... Cmon Lee do Fow 1 and Bomb & Hostages enabled.Otherwise this wont make any fun.


Nope, not going to happen:
1. Bomb Detonation = 3 kills
2. Bomb Defusal = 3 kills

In either case, 3 free points is awarded to someone unfairly and we will not allow that.

Hostages: CT or T will attempt to use them as shields. I don't care if you wont do them, but some people will.

In both cases, Hostages and Bombs will render the match completely unfair therefore We will not allow it in our tournament.

As I said before, the FOW is up to you. You challenge a players, if he accepts, you guys work out the FF, Map, and the Fow settings.

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um usp vs ak/m4/mp5? ILLECTRO i have won many times like that, mostly in gold but a few times in 0.1.0.9 so its not rly impossible just hard

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Oh lowl-iam just laughing everytime about ya american thinking.Does it matter if you have won in Ct 5:0 or 8:0(includes 1 bomb defuse).Its just important how many rounds youve won not your points...?*Statsplayers*?

Tell me some tactics without bomb /hostages? Cmon! As i said no way to win just fragging lowl or run away-nice!

Or same with no fow,i guess when my opponent is refusing my question, i had to accept it and play with no fow.

Every child knows that a 1on1 is get played with fow & etc,it just makes you to do tactics and more.

No Fow/bomb/Hostages = Fragmatch(includes no tactics just shoot)

But as you said its "your" tournament,well have fun & good luck for it iam refusing it.

My whole strenght is playing on Fow.
And imm sure you americans have probs with playin on fow ;]
Nevermind

greetz.... btw stop quoting everything and every statement,i guess in such a small topic it isnt needed.

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That was what I said, and DC give me warn...
They dont accept your oppinions...
It is a shame this forum isnt democratic...

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i understand no hostages. it's very similar to cs 1.6. in cs 1.6 hostage maps (cs_) are barely played as clanwar matches, since it allows the terrorists to camp the whole round or just kill them all and play like no hostages. that's not quite fair

with the bombs it's a bit different, since there are 2 bomb spots and mostly they aren't at the spawn of any team. this way both teams have to rush to a bombspot and either have to defend it or attack it.

without bomb or hostages you can just camp the whole round in a corner which isn't very fair. there is no motivation to rush. I hope you agree with me that a match where you camp 5 minutes is very lame.

Also if there is only one left in each team, one with 5 hp and one with 100 hp, the one with 5 hp could just keep running around blocks (say de_dust bombspot b, the 2 big blocks) whereas if you could plant a bomb, there would be a winner.

and illectro is right, without fog there are barely any tactical possibilities, you can just camp behind corners and wait until your opponent will rush. no fog also supports camping tactics, which make the game really lame.


In the early days clanwars were only played with fog and of course bombs (/hostages)...

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On 3rr0r's standstill problem. I'm going to work out an alternative solution to keep pointing integrity and to avoid standstills:

http://tgvserver.info/forums/showthread.php?t=160

Alternative Solution: Reduce the round time to something lower to also avoid standstills. (When time runs out, the kill goes to the winning team)

Hope this will solve the issue of a deadlock game.

On the voluntariness of the FOW, the default FOW setting will be turned on but can be turned off if both parties consent. Anyways, we did initially plan to mandate FOW only but most of the people have split opinions so we agreed to let the players work it out themselves.

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ILLECTRO has written
Oh lowl-iam just laughing everytime about ya american thinking.Does it matter if you have won in Ct 5:0 or 8:0(includes 1 bomb defuse).Its just important how many rounds youve won not your points...?*Statsplayers*?


I'm sorry, are you familiar with the whole concept of an open league or do I have to spell it out for you? The point system is entirely based upon the numbers of kills you make, and by points I mean frags only. If you distort the score by planting the bomb then it's not called a fair game.

Illectro, please read up on this topic:

http://tgvserver.info/forums/tgv-chat/152-circular-argumentum-prejudice.html

Same applies here, racial differentiation doesn't qualify as grounds for impacting. Thus your claims are to be discredited.

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Tell me some tactics without bomb /hostages? Cmon! As i said no way to win just fragging lowl or run away-nice!


Okay, take the WCL, the PCL, and any professional gaming leagues, ask them if they would take in detonation as a valid objective if they use a ladder system based off of frags.

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Or same with no fow,i guess when my opponent is refusing my question, i had to accept it and play with no fow.


My answer is what every american would reply to you:

Compromise

Search out Henry Clay. I don't hear him whining when he lost the elections 3 times.

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Every child knows that a 1on1 is get played with fow & etc,it just makes you to do tactics and more.


I said you decided if you want to use FOW or not, please read b4 blatantly spilling out the first thing that comes to your mind.

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No Fow/bomb/Hostages = Fragmatch(includes no tactics just shoot)


Then obviously you have no idea how to play the game without hiding behind bombs or hostages. Do you call that tactics?

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My whole strenght is playing on Fow.
And imm sure you americans have probs with playin on fow ;]
Nevermind


Again, please read what I've actually posted because I've specified 4 different times on this topic that you can have FOW. You're being willingly ignorant.

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greetz.... btw stop quoting everything and every statement,i guess in such a small topic it isnt needed.


Not if every assertion you make is based off of fallacies and you refuse to actually reason with valid points. I'll give you a roadmap of the argument you've just made:

Assertion: You must enable fow, bomb, and hostage

Reason:
1. You can't think of any tactics to play without enabling bomb/hostage
2. You claim that we're advocating no fow. Objectively false
3. You completely ignore the "working it out with the challenger" part of the solution.
3b. Implies you have absolutely no skills in compromising
4. Fallacy on red herring. Subjective stating that "children" considers lack of these components to be a "frag match"
4b. Definition of a frag: a Kill. Primary objective of any cs2d round: Killing opponents. Conclusion: Your claim makes no impact whatsoever
5. You make the claim that we're not listening to reason when you yourself refuse to rationalize nor argue with reason.

So good luck, I doubt anyone would miss your from the tourney.
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I havent read ya whole quote post so i dont care what you want from me.If you mean that your rules are qualified-make your tournament but stop making me mad In your Forum(espacially Ownage).

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these texts are so boring and annoyng...
I never read them, hehe...
but let he do what he wants...
no one will participate it...
just he and his little friends, not big deal...

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For 1v1s fy_squares should be used WITH FoW because of its small size.
Otherwise its camp world for any other map.

"Oh lowl-iam just laughing everytime about ya american thinking"

Biased/Prejudice much?

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ILLECTRO has written
I havent read ya whole quote post so i dont care what you want from me.If you mean that your rules are qualified-make your tournament but stop making me mad In your Forum(espacially Ownage).


I'm sorry, who was that asserted that Americans are low leveled or ignorant? Do you really think we would actually just stand by to let you make such racist claims?

And no, I'm saying you are willingly ignorant and unwilling to make your point through reason, rather, you would go on about how Americans are worse than Europeans and that only "pros" play with bombs and other fallacies. To tell you the truth, you're claims are just outrageous and they make me and any American Players incensed. So no, I will not step down and mediate this because you will need to apologize to us first.

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Roadmap on your first constructive.

1. You can't think of any tactics to play without enabling bomb/hostage
2. You claim that we're advocating no fow. Objectively false
3. You completely ignore the "working it out with the challenger" part of the solution.
3b. Implies you have absolutely no skills in compromising
4. Fallacy on red herring. Subjective stating that "children" considers lack of these components to be a "frag match"
4b. Definition of a frag: a Kill. Primary objective of any cs2d round: Killing opponents. Conclusion: Your claim makes no impact whatsoever
5. You make the claim that we're not listening to reason when you yourself refuse to rationalize nor argue with reason.


Btw marcio, considering that you refuse to rebut my earlier points, I suggest you step out of this discussion, especially since the word American includes you as well. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please do not ever ever come on here again.

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Youre annoying me. Did i said something racism?I wrote " I wonder about ya american thinking" Racism?Then you posted some shit like that i said "Americans lowleveld,ignorant" and so on.I just writed my own opinion before and i DONT said any racism sentences so stfu and stop talking about something i havent told.Same as Ownage was doing in Tgv forum"Seriously, Illectro is no good in playing with no fow,hes just good at rescue hostage & defusing bomb"This is annoying me couse this dumb dunno what hes talking about,he never played me,just saw me on lagy bitchy Killcrazed Server were i dont play serious couse of stupid 180 ping(has no sence).On tgv ive 140 not that good too but a lil bit better and this 1 doesnt lags very much.

Here the Solution: @Lee:If i had say anything about americans,im sry but im no racism....Iam refusing the tournament and everyone will be happy.
@Ownage:Call me @msn for 1on1 to clear this & show you real skill.(Fow or no Fow,i dont bother)

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leegao has written
I'm sorry, who was that asserted that Americans are low leveled or ignorant?

He didn't state that.

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Bloodshot has written
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I'm sorry, who was that asserted that Americans are low leveled or ignorant?

He didn't state that.


Do you want me to find the parts where he did and then explicitly explain to you what they mean?
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